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  • Re: Hey, hey it's the X-Men! An X-Men discussion thread


    All-New and Uncanny are Bendis. X-Men has changed writers twice and G. Willow Wilson is only signed on for four books. That's a problem for a book that's only on issue #23, especially one with as diverse a cast as X-Men. Amazing started with Jason Aaron, then went to Kyle & Yost. Wolverine & The X-Men began with Jason Latour with it's final issue being an AXIS tie-in written by Frank Tieri. Nightcrawler's a Claremont book. Storm is Greg Pak. Cyclops started with Greg Rucka then switched after five issues to John Layman. Wolverines is written by Charles Soule. Uncanny Avengers is Rick Remender. Spider-Man And The X-Men is Elliot Kalan. And before it got cancelled All-New X-Factor was Peter David....

    (After re-reading my post I realized I went on a rant for a little while... sorry. What can I say, I'm passionate about my X-Men.)

    The second volume of Wolverine and the X-Men started out average and slipped into terrible territory so quickly. What's more insulting is when we the artist on a book gets worse and worse as the series continues on. They hook you with a great artist then slowly keep dropping the quality of the artist on the book. WatX was getting top notch artists under Aaron and we even got Mahmud A. Asrar in Latour's run

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    but then it switches to Jorge Fornes?


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    This certainly doesn't help a title especially when the writing isn't strong enough to hold the book up. Then a must read book like WatX under Aaron moves to the bottom of the pile under Latour.

    Pencilers
    Look at Amazing X-Men, we went from Ed McGuinness to Carlo Barberi to Jorge Fornes.

    X-Men, Olivier Coipel! (whom I love!), Terry Dodson, Kris Anka, Clay Mann & Philippe Briones, Harvey Tolibao & Dexter Soy.

    To me it does seem like the Avengers books get priority over the X-Books with artists. Bendis' books have been pretty stable but it really hurt me when Stuart Immonen left for Captain America. (Thank god Bachelo loves the X-Men so much he didn't want to leave when offered other books.)

    I was so happy and surprised when Bendis came to the X-Books because it always seemed like they grew the writing talent in the X-Books then "graduated" them to the Avengers. (Of course there is a strong possibility it could just be the writer's choice.)

    Uncanny X-Men writer history:
    Brubaker...dipped his toe in the X-Universe and decided to keep writing Cap
    Fraction - Uncanny X (well upon researching he did start Iron Man two months before Uncanny) > Iron Man, Mighty Thor, Hawkeye
    Gillen - Uncanny X > Thor, JiM, Young Avengers
    Bendis


    X-Men/X-Men Legacy
    Mike Carey (X-Men/X-Men Legacy) had a long run...wouldn't mind getting him back.
    Victor Gischler (X-Men)
    Brian Wood (X-Men)
    G Willow Wilson (X-Men) > A-Force (Avengers Force)
    Simon Spurrier (X-Men Legacy)


    X-Force
    Kyle and Yost- X-Force > both of whom I'm surprised haven't written an Avengers book (loved them)
    Rick Remender- Uncanny X-Force > Uncanny Avengers (vol 1 heavily x-related...vol 2 seems to be more Avengers-ish)
    Sam Humphries- Uncanny X-Force > Avengers AI, Legendary Star-Lord
    Dennis Hopeless- Cable and X-Force/Avengers Arena (same time)> Avengers Undercover, Spider-Woman
    Simon Spurrier- X-Force


    Amazing X-Men
    Aaron - Wolverine (very long run) > Hulk, Thor God of Thunder and a bunch of other stuff
    Kyle and Yost - whom I love but they're hamstringing them with the artists


    Wolverine and the X-Men
    Aaron - Wolverine (very long run), WatX > Hulk, Thor God of Thunder and bunch of of other stuff
    Latour
    Elliot Kalan (Spider-Man and the X-Men)

    All New X-Men
    Bendis


    Besides Bendis we haven't seen a big move up in writers. I'm really curious to see who we'll get next to lead the X-Titles. Will it be a big name or another up and comer who'll get scalped for the Avengers or another title?

    I will say I'm surprised with Wolverines. Charles Soule is bringing it but a weekly book at $3.99 with a constantly rotating crew of artists with varying quality hurts the book...hell give him a shot at leading the franchise. Maybe that's why he's exclusive to Marvel but I can see him taking Daredevil more than an X-book.

    Again sorry for the long rant...

    ...I think we would all agree that the franchise simply needs to be streamlined. Whether that will ever happen, who knows? Marvel's done it before with Spider-Man and it seemed successful. Then again, Spider-Man's only one character, so it's not difficult to limit the number of monthlies he's appearing in.
    Yes, the line does need to be streamlined because the quality of the books vary greatly and the same characters are sometimes on multiple teams. It's been worse but what we have right now isn't so bad.

    Team books
    All New X-Men
    Uncanny X-Men
    Amazing X-Men
    X-Men
    Spider-Man and the X-Men
    X-Force
    All New X-Factor- cancelled

    Pare it down to 5 books. Two to lead the franchise (All New X-Men, Uncanny X-Men), one about the kids (Spider-Man & or go back to New X-Men: Academy X), one easily accessible or continuity free where the writer could just tell fun stories; also where we can see members that are on other teams (Amazing X-Men or X-Men) and one fringe title (X-Force or X-Factor). Or make it two fringe titles and make one of the lead franchise books about the kids.

    Oh and we've also got solo titles...
    Cyclops
    Magneto -such a great book
    Nightcrawler
    Storm -another great book
    Wolverines

    Not sure what to do about those. Maybe two titles of rotating minis that expand on characters. 7 books compared to the 10-12 that we usually get. I'm expecting that after Secret Wars we'll get a more streamlined well defined line like they did when Joe Q took over Marvel years ago.
  • Re: Episode 1529 Talkback - Comic Talk

    The Leviathan organization could be from Hickman's Secret Warriors.
    Same thing with some Hydra members in Agents of S. H. I. E. L. D. The Hydra Doctor was also another character from Secret Warriors and ironically enough the Fall season finale really makes AoS feel like Secret Warriors.
  • Re: Episode 1521 Talkback - Previews

    yes another thumbs up for Lazarus here.

    As for the counter earth, in Hickman's Avengers Ex Nihilo twinned the Earth which is the new counter Earth I don't think the High Evolutionary counter Earth ever came back.

    Trailer for the Locke and Key a TV that was never picked up
  • Re: CGS Presents: Murd's Time Bubble - The Twenty-Third Time Talkback

    (Had this sitting in my drafts since 10/4/14...)

    Now I remember...

    Final Fantasy The Spirits Within: Each Final Fantasy game is completely different than the next (except for direct sequels...FF X 2, XIII 2 etc). Spirits Within was disappointing since it moved from the Action/Adventure Sword and Sorcery stuff to save the Earth Sci Fi.

    @Adam_Murdough‌ I can see how mutant X-Statix team's fame and fortune could frustrate you while other mutants were being persecuted. I think they do touch on that a little down the line. There is even a tangential cross reference with Frank Tieri's Weapon X series where a mutant is recruited after failing the X-Statix try outs.

    I think around this time is when Marvel was paring down the X Line and made sure each book was significantly different with all different team members. Something it might just be time for them to get back to.
  • Re: Off the Racks: All-New Invaders #1, Detective Comics #27, and ElfQuest: The Final Quest #1

    All New Invaders - Remender's Secret Avengers dealt with the Decendents or the hybrid species of homo synthezoid. They looked to Jim Hammond as their Grandfather.

    Basically back in WWII a British Division of the Weapon Plus program consisting of scientists named Father, Mother and Brother tried to reproduce the creation of Jim Hammond. After meeting with failure Father resorted to Magic using the Orb of Necromancy to give life to their failures. (We find out that Father had some ties to Otherworld (as in Captain Britain)and somehow stole or hid the Orb in another dimension...I forget exactly how it goes.)

    So Father, Mother and Brother have a falling out about what to do next and Mother frees the synthezoids who escape into the world and eventually breed with humans. (Thus homo synthezoid aka the Decendents). Father goes on to work with the Weapon Plus Program and eventually gathers the Decendents into an army. He infects the world with nanotechnology which threatens to convert humanity into human/machine hybrids making the world into the perfect Decendent Utopia. It all comes down to Hammond who has to choose which species lives and which dies. He destroys the Orb of Necromancy committing genocide and wiping out all the Decendents whom he felt a kinship and originally sided with. Shaken he walks away from the Secret Avengers to find seclusion. Before dying Father says that one Decendent has managed to survive.

    Mother is believed to be the old woman often seen with Fantomex. Whom he calls Mother.

    Brother is believed to be either the Grandfather or Father of Brian (Captain Britain) Braddock, Betsy (Psylocke) Braddock and Jamie Braddock.



    Imperial Guard - in Hickman's Avengers we learn that the Imperial Guard literally has training schools of Guardsmen who will eventually graduate to the Imperial Guard when their namesake is deceased. This is where we get the Smasher who is currently on the Avengers. Jason Aaron's Wolverine and the X-Men Annual #1 follows up with Kid Gladiator in this school but unfortunately he's the last Strongtonain (?) so he's the only Gladiator in training.